From Stewart:“Where do I sign to ask David Cameron to support Mr Grayling and abandon this divisive PC agenda?”

Conservativehome, Cornerstone, Brugge Group, or The Monday Club, at a guess.

If Stuart is a member of Compass, it says something that of all the doubtful and questionable positions taken up by Neal Lawson and Gavin Hayes down the years, he is moved to call for their removal because the two of them take some kind of a stand against anti gay prejudice.

It really is a funny old world.

THE FOLLOWING IS THE FINAL PART OF MY ORIGINAL POST BELOW THIS ONE ... IT DOES NOT SAY THERE IS A POST LIMIT! but i guess most dont rant as much as me » :-P


created in their years of power ... But more importantly seem to ignore the fact that The Tories have had 13 years to have a clear agenda as to their policies ... Yet even in these close weeks to the election they are flip flopping on major issues ... as Vince Cable and others have clearly proved ... NO ONE is perfect this we must remember ... but we all have a duty to focus our efforts to vote in the party most likely to aid ALL the citizens of this great nation ... and that simply is not the yet Tories ... as i hope you can now see! If you want the blues ... mark my words you will live the blues ...


On financial issues where the thermometer is in constant flux it is not so easy to keep a fixed proposal on the table ... it requires as we all know a constant eye and a constant attention to know if we are going in the right direction at any one time ... Social issues like the rights of the people are either right or wrong ... they do not change ... a gay person ... an ethnic person ... their needs are the same no matter who is in power ... voting to discriminate against ANY minority in this modern age is just unacceptable and should indicate to ALL citizens the morals of the (NEW) Tory Party ... take time to look behind all the PR and the cheesy photo shopped smiles!


YOU ONLY GET ONE VOTE!


Vote for the issues you feel are right for the people not just your own pocket and question the lies!

The Election has not yet even taken place and the words of the Right are appearing again ... charged as if empowered by the Tories narrow lead over Labour ... It is NEVER a right time to discriminate ... simply NEVER!


Some of the sad few comments left here on this issue either go to show the lack of care for others living within our community OR the idea of society being non existent as Thatchers Blues would have it still reign true!


Politics is not about main issues ... it is about ALL issues ... Of course it is hard to imagine that 100% of voters on May 6th will consider all those issues that affect those living within their own community ... not as much as those issues which affect their own personal lives ... But to hear even (apparently) gay people themselves saying here on these comments that it is fine for people like Grayling to make such suggestions is more than appalling it is down right disgusting ...


I have no idea the age groupings of those who are writing here but even as a young man i know that those gay generations before me struggled for those which followed ... They walked the path of Britain trying to gain respect ... trying to find even a place amongst the masses ... It was not a walk of simplicity ... It took COURAGE! ... It is very easy to forget ... it seems ... that those peoples who put their freedoms at risk simply by declaring their love openly were massively courageous!


This is not an isolated issue ... one which a simple demand for a sacking will appease those voting masses who really understand that where a trickle runs sure enough soon it can will lead into a stream ... The REASON there are thankfully lesser negative gay issues to be faced in 2010 is because of those changes which only took place under the guidance of the present Labour Party ... Now i am not a Labour supporter normally ... but i am not going to sit in front of a key board in this era of instant commenting and not respond to the shallow words others have had the careless decision to enter here ... In the past it would of taken a huge amount of organizing and the painting of moms sheets to get our message across not to mention the added risk of a stay in jail!


This situation goes far deeper than what Grayling said because Cameron himself has made it clear through his bumbling on gay issues in various quarters that a trust issue DOES exist with the Tories! ... From the famous video interview with The Gay Times ... right down to his lies over his claim of abstention on his vote in Parliament over the right for gay couples to be able to adopt ... This despite the fact such events are recorded by Hansard ... The Hansard debates report of 16 May 2002 clearly shows David Cameron's name on the list as being a vote counted in the NOES (alongside i feel it should be noted Graylings name who ALSO voted against gays having the right to adopt! Funny seeing as though he claims to like gays) ... This is was a vote AGAINST gay couples being able to adopt! NOT as he claimed in The Independent Newspaper interview as being his moment of abstention ...


But lets assume for one moment that he had decided not to vote ... EVEN THOUGH HE DID ... What would it be saying to a modern society that a candidate for leadership has sat on the fence on a left or right issue? ... This is a man that is saying that his convictions are clear ... that he wants to run this Great Britain of ours for the great unheard ... (if the gay community is not one of the great unheard then who) ... Well how is it then that this man with claims to be one of the people can have no time to make a clear open decision ... to stand up and be counted ... to LEAD?


The gay people living in Cameron's constituency at the time deserved better ... and yes Dave they even live near you! Scary though that may seem ... I even heard it said that Cameron voted against the removal of Clause / Section 28! Now this is not just Grayling here ... this is the Leader of the tory party!


the following passage is taken from the lgf.org.uk site ...



... despite David Cameron's insistence that the Conservative Party is now moderate and supportive of LGBT equality, large numbers of Conservative MPs continue to vote against LGBT rights protections in the UK.
For example, 40% of Tory MPs who participated in the 2004 vote which brought in Civil Partnerships voted against the bill. 55% of Tory MPs voted against the Gender Recognition Bill, which allows transgendered people to marry in their adopted sex. Cameron himself has voted against gay adoption in the past, and opposed the repeal of Section 28.
Tory leader David Cameron voted against gay equality when he voted for the removal clause 58 - which bans Incitement to Homophobic Hate. All Tory MP's, bar one voted for the clauses removal.


Enough of a reality check for you?


What will you expect this petition to do? The sacking of Grayling is one person among many whom hold the same beliefs within the corridors of the elite ... Those apparently ... better than the rest of us privileged few ... How can any gay person in Britain today ... or any minority for that matter ... say that this B&B comment is not an important issue? Well it seems it is an important enough an issue for one of Cameron's own babies ... Anastasia Beaumont-Bott ... to stand up and say she is going to vote Labour on May 6th 2010 ... that takes great courage ... to move away from all she 'believed' the Tories stood for ... To stand up and say to all those people in the UK and say that she was WRONG to support the Conservatives ... That is what real conviction looks like guys ... That is what all those who fought in the decades before us did also ... so that todays young LGBT people could have a civil partnership or they too can have an equal age of consent for sex ... The list goes on ... but most of that list has been created in the time that the present Labour government were in power ... Never when the Conservatives were in power ... they took away the rights of gay people ... they even took away the rights of teachers to be able to teach the way they had been trained to do ... Baker days anyone?


Do you think Thatcher came into power saying to the citizens of the UK that she would bring in Clause 28? Of course not ... and why do you think that is? Maybe it is because there are ... thank fully ... some people out there who believe that everyone has a right to not be victimized ... to not be excluded ... because of their sex ... race ... sexuality ... or religious beliefs ... Thatcher said only what was needed in order to get into power ... and then ... well just watch as the REAL truth about Conservative beliefs seep out once more! ...


Cameron wants young people to think that he is the UK equivalent to Obama ... don't make me laugh! ... Do you honestly think that Obama would EVER of voted against minority issues such as I have shown Cameron has done in his political past? ... Do you think Obama would 'forget' if he abstained or Voted on a crucial issue? ... It is insulting to all those who brought Obama to power that Cameron can assume himself to be anywhere near to holding the same values of citizenship as does Barack Obama!


This is about truth more than anything else ... and truth is something that David cameron finds very difficult ... even with all his readily prepared PR statements ... do a search on the net ... find out the truth ... and ask yourself if you could flip-flop on issues so readily as the tory party do ... and this is their JOB! They are supposed to have clearly defined ideas in which we can form our allegiances ... at least the other two parties have a clearer agenda ... and that for me is what politicians have a duty to provide ...


The Conservatives retort back that the Labour party have had 13 years to sort out Britain ... i think The people of Britain who hold this view are forgetting the mess that the Conservatives

This is the biggest issue that lesbian gay bi and tg people like myself have on which to base their voting ? oh for heavens sakes lets get real ! this is honestly beyond stupid that anyone couldnt have bigger issues to worry about as we choose the next government to run our country for the next four to five years

Is this really such an important issue?.
Compass is ignoring issues which matter adn this is an admission that it has little real influence.
Get real .There is a watershed election coming and all you can discuss is the very minor issue of B&B.
And what precisely will you discuss after the election?

I agree that Grayling's comments were revolting, but I'm not convinced that we should be petitioning for his resignation. Sacking him will only prompt cries of discrimination and silencing from people who share his opinions. We might as well have the debate.

Quite apart from which, I'm happy to watch Grayling make an ass of himself. We want more Tories to contradict Cameron and show them up for the knee-jerk idiots they are. Give them more rope - let them hang themselves.

I worked moist of my life all over the country with my work, I stayed at B&B all over the place, on more then one occasions the owners would say can you sleep two to a bed, because we do not have enough rooms. When your desperate to find a place to sleep you'd sleep on the floor, so you say yes. In all the years I have never been asked are you gay, just can you pay in advance, if you have religious people who do not want gays or workmen in their B&B I suspect they are not in business long.

Who the hell cares this is just another silly argument which means nothing in the real world.

I have nothing against gay people , what i do object to is in this Country you cant express your opinions with out being accused of being racist or homophobic, what ever happened to the freedom of speach, if a christian or anyone else desided that i was not welcome into there home what could i do about it nothing it's the same as a shop keeper who refuses to serve you or a pub saying your barred , No i dont think this man should lose his job far to many people get on there high horses over somthing and nothing , I think this guy is conservative must be thats why people are upset i wonder if it had been someone else would there have been they same out cry ,

I think that this petition should be supported.

Where do I sign to ask David Cameron to support Mr Grayling and abandon this divisive PC agenda?

Compass members should vote Neal Lawson and Gavin off the compass committee. Diversity has failed and compass has run out of ideas.
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His comments are an absolute disgrace and only go to prove that the Tories really haven't changed at all!!