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By-election Statement: Labour must urgently restore party democracy

Friday, July 24 2009

Norwich North is yet another bad result for Labour and another self inflicted wound. When so many MPs across the parties who played the expenses system remain unaccounted for, why was Ian Gibson singled out? It was either cock-up or conspiracy.

If it's the former then who is to blame? If it's the latter then the conspiracy would centre on Ian's voting record as a centre-left reformer. If so the conspirators should stand and be held to account.

This is the crux of the issue. Labour is no longer a democratic party in any shape or form. Candidates are junked and imposed at the whim of a machine centred between HQ, Downing Street and one or two unions. We have now seen that this backfires, time and time again - since 1997 Labour has lost over 4 million voters, it's driven away over half its members and most recently suffered 5 by-election defeats. This seems inconsequential to the command and control structure which is crucial when you are governing against the wishes, values and desires of centre-left party members. Party conference, the NEC, the National Policy Forum and local selections are controlled by the centre because no one can be trusted to vote for New Labour's increasingly uncomfortable relationship with out of control capitalism.

Labour can still muster a professional team of apparatchiks for a by-election but across the country the party on the ground is just a hollowed out shell. The Iraq war, the 10p tax debacle, privatisation and an adoration of wealth have all taken their toll. It would certainly be worse under the Tories but when your own side do their bidding what's the point of being a member - let alone an active one? But despite all the media manipulation even David Cameron hasn't quite sealed the deal with the country precisely because this is a centre-left moment - when people want and need collective answers to their problems - not the tax cuts for a few and spending cuts for the many his party are advocating.

New Labour is at the end of the road. No money, no grassroots organisation in the field, no narrative and no policies that will make the fundamental change to people's lives that is now required. We are sleep walking to a calamitous defeat. David Cameron may win by default because as is always the case - it is government that lose elections, not the opposition that wins them. Even worse, this government is now losing without a real fight. If things continue in the same direction nothing but defeat is expected and it is quickly becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Compass and others will continue to set out an alternative agenda and a positive vision for a social democratic future, but eyes and ears are either closed at the top or good Ministers have their heads down ploughing their own furrow. The decline in party democracy, the tightening control by the very top mean that the party is increasingly constricted and closed off. But to be successful all parties need to outwardly renew themselves through democratic debate and to answer the issues of their own time.

So as we stated in June Compass would urge the party leadership to seek to instigate urgent democratic engagement and dialogue with the party membership, unions, CLPs, affiliated societies and the PLP in the run up to the party conference. This could be easily based around a re-statement of Labour values and policy intent in the run-up to the next general election, with a draft statement put online for comment. A final version could be voted on by every party member with the result announced in Brighton. Unless such a statement signalled a clear change of direction with a bold set of centre-left policies it would not gain enough support. The party leadership must now use such a process to demonstrate their commitment to listen, engage and only then, lead.

When the challenges of democratic reform, growing inequality and climate change have never been greater the country is crying out for a democratic and social response. Labour must now step up and restate itself as a 21st century party of social democracy in order to meet these challenges and to build the good society.

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Posted by Carol Hayton (Horsham)
on 24 July 2009, 7:29:15 PM
I am truely amazed by those who still claim that any result is not as bad as it seems to be because all that happened was our supporters stayed at home. If they stay at home they are not our supporters. Perhaps we should give more consideration to why they aren't our supporters anymore and try to do something about it. Genuinely listening to people's views and engaging them in debate might persuade them to come back if you get out there quick enough and I am sure we will get assurances from Gordon and co that the people have sent them a message and they will now listen, but we and they have heard it all before. The Party stopped listening to members years ago and many members walked away. The party wasn't too bothered. Apparently we were recruiting at the same level as we were losing members but not neccesarily the kind that knew and cared about winning elections. They have taken the same approach with the general public over recent years, claiming we had broadened our support base but the core support walked too. In neither case do I see a rush to come back. Worse still, stay at home supporters and ex-members arebeginning to find alternative homes for their support amongst the growing number of contenders at election time. If we go down the route of PR this will be an even more significant challenge for the main parties. There's a lesson to be learned, but will we learn it. I doubt it.
Posted by Salfordgal (London)
on 24 July 2009, 7:24:59 PM
This piece was obviously written in a hurry. And it shows. Full of pre-cooked analysis to support a pre-meditated message that the defeat was all down to mistakes being made by our leaders."

Bit of preemptive preening, then, Stan?
Posted by Salfordgal (London)
on 24 July 2009, 7:14:48 PM
"Dr Gibson may have been a fine MP, but enriching one's progeny via the taxman is not on. I accept that he is not alone in what he has done, but that does not excuse it. The by-election was needless and I find Dr Gibson's petulance unforgivable."

Diddums...
Posted by Donald L Reid (Beith, Ayrshire)
on 24 July 2009, 7:14:32 PM
Like so many others in the Labour movement, I feel a genuine sense of frustration at the way the power-brokers in the party have dealt so unfairly with Ian Gibson. That they paid the price in the by-election is little wonder, but perhaps they don't really care, believing that voters will return next year. In my view sacking Gibson was simply a classic own goal. No one can understand why Gibson was singled when so many cabinet big-hitters who seem to be equally culpable in the expenses scandal were given preferential treatment.

I do believe many voters will return to the fold, because having the Tories in power is not the answer, despite Labour shortcomings on so many fronts. The Compass agenda is refreshing in many areas and a centre left party would be warmly welcomed by many members who are a breaking point with the current party set-up. Workers on the ground have disappeared faster than "snaw off a dyke" and that, I believe, is unlikely to change before the election, leaving the party very vulnerable in terms of getting the message across - and delivering leaflets!

Will the party reform. I suspect not. Will voters return. I think not. We are likely to have a Tory government for the next 12 years and who is to blame. Tony B and Gordon B.
Posted by Jim (Musselburgh)
on 24 July 2009, 7:10:27 PM
Please read the comment by Salfordgal, as it is the only chance of there being a change in the self-interest and Darwinian politics which has led to the ever growing gap between rich and poor, increased homelessness, poverty, unemployment, oh and the mega bonuses for the city being paid out again after hundreds of billions of pounds of taxpayers money bailing out the banks.


Posted by Salfordgal (London)
on 24 July 2009, 6:11:02 PM
"Changing the Party from within will take a decade. What we need now is coalitions---with the Greens, like-minded LibDems and extra-parliamentary groups."

What we need now is a strategic decision to aim for a hung parliament and to target the seats of past and present New Labour MPs , who have brought Labour and the House of Commons into disrepute (and any particularly unsavoury PPCs, of whom there seem to be many), and encourage voters to support, as appropriate, LibDem, SNP, Plaid or Tory candidates (although not an absolutely-off-the-wall Tory unless, testing on the basis of the balance of evil, the need to do so is great). That way, we may get the best of all possible worlds: a hung parliament where legislation has to be discussed to between parties to the satisfaction of a majority of MPs; a relatively dross free PLP; and a reasonable chance of sensible electoral reform. Oh, and - just to show that grownup LibDems can compromise with the best of you - maybe even a referendum on the EU Constitution as well as, or as an alternative to Ming's spectacularly daffy notion of a referendum on EU membership, full stop, which still seems to be LibDem policy..
Posted by Dugsie (Yorks)
on 24 July 2009, 7:10:08 PM
How are you doing Harry ?
Posted by Brian Lynch (Carnoustie)
on 24 July 2009, 7:01:04 PM
New labour supporters used democracy within the labour party to highjack and dominate their neo liberal views. Democracy can be used again to expel these hypocrites,
and move the party back to its roots. The more this is seen to happen, hopefully the more old members will rejoin including me.
Compass the TUC and other groups can help make this happen starting at the party conference. Alliances with the greens, independants and lib dems will certainly help,
as will electoral reform. The general election is probably lost, but the labour movement can bounce back, it has done so in the past.
Finally my sympathies go to Ian Gibson as i do feel he was scapegoated while others especially cabinet ministers (we know who) seemed to get away with it.
Posted by  
on 24 July 2009, 6:55:24 PM
Yes the Labour Party sucks. So take take charge Compass - have the courage of your own convictions, march on Downing Street, drag Brown out and install your own puppet government. It's that simple, isn't it?
Posted by Peter Coles (Hebden Bridge, West Yorkshire)
on 24 July 2009, 6:52:26 PM
The Party which seems to attempt to narrow the gap between the rich and the poor is the Liberal Democrat Party, so it could be worthwhile for Labour Party members considering voting this way at the next election.
Posted by Daniel Blaney (Basildon)
on 24 July 2009, 6:52:08 PM

Compass is right that the issue of democracy within our party is the crucial issue. I suggest two things:

1. Change the party rule book so that OMOV takes place for elections to the CLP section of the National Policy Forum; this does not require any additional cost as ballot papers can be sent out at the same time as elections to the National Executive.

2. Greater attention by all party members to elections to, and activities of, the hugely powerful Conference Arrangements Committee, and mandate delegates accordingly.
Posted by Harry Barnes (Dronfield)
on 24 July 2009, 6:50:46 PM
Whilst the result at Norwich North had its own special characteristics due to Labour's disgraceful treatment of Ian Gibson, it still had startling characteristics in common with the recent County Council and EU elections.

There was a low turnout with a small percentage swing to the Tories, a small swing away from the Lib Dems, a collapse of the Labour vote and a strong showing from a mixture of 4th Parties etc. Except that things were worse for Labour this time.

If my calculations can be trusted, the swings to the Tories and away from Labour applied to a General Election would leave us with 79 seats. Of those who would remain, I would go for Peter Hain or Graham Allen for leader; although David Milband is likely to emerge winner with John McDonnell failing to get sufficient nominations.

Perhaps it time to examine the lessons of the 1931 electoral collapse.
Posted by Stan Rosenthal 
on 24 July 2009, 6:37:25 PM
This piece was obviously written in a hurry. And it shows. Full of pre-cooked analysis to support a pre-meditated message that the defeat was all down to mistakes being made by our leaders.

In fact, the simple truth is that people are thoroughly fed up at the moment for all sorts of reasons including the expenses farrago (with which this particular by-election was directly connected), the ongoing economic crisis, now directly affecting people’s lives, “our boys” dying in a far-away war, swine flu, the return of the typical British summer etc. etc.

In these circumstances it’s hardly suprising that they kick out against the governing party when the opportunity occurs, particularly when the media is doing it’s best to hold the government responsible for all our ills.. The real surprise is that the defeat wasn’t greater.

Yes, we need to do better in getting our message across (and it’s a good message given our 10 year record, our success in dealing with the worst economic crisis since the war, and the new policies now being turned out). But please spare us the wailing and the gnashing of teeth (to pressurize the government into accepting our policies) that can only be of comfort to our enemies.
Posted by Jim Dodds (Nanaimo BC Canada)
on 24 July 2009, 6:28:43 PM
Who is it that was credited with the creation of New Labour? Who was the prince of spin dubbed Prince of Darkness behind Tony Blair? Who has been obliged not once but twice to resign from government? Who advocates the free movement of competatively priced labour across Europe today? Who in Britain speaks for multinationals and advocates policies to suit them? Who really runs New Labour and why is he allowed to do so? Why is he so rarely, if ever, criticized by the Murdoch or any other press as Gordon Brown is lambasted? The British people know 'there is something rotten in the state of Denmark' and until the Labour party is restored to its own it will continue to rot.
Posted by Richard Exell (Brightlingsea)
on 24 July 2009, 6:24:59 PM
Labour's vote in this by-election fell by 26.7 percent.

Of course, if repeated as a national swing, this would wipe out the Parliamentary Labour Party (we'd have a vote of less than 9 percent) and give the Tories a massive majority.

But that isn't what we should learn from this result. We need to take note of the fact that the Conservative vote only rose by 6.2 percent - but they still won.

The conclusion we should draw is that the problem is not that people like the Tories, it is Labour's phenomenal unpopularity.

Therefore, persuading voters that the Tories are unattractive is unlikely - even if successful, and that isn't guaranteed - to be enough to save the next election. "Vote for us to stop those awful Conservatives" just won't cut it.

We may be in one of those end games that just can't be won, but if there is a chance we have to ditch the pet policies that are massively unpopular. Twenty years ago it was the Left of the Party that couldn't bear to give up policies even when it was obvious that they were vote losers, now the boot is on the other foot and we need a leadership that is as ruthless as New Labour was about eliminating negatives.
Posted by Les Crompton (Portsmouth)
on 24 July 2009, 6:24:36 PM
For Gods sake will someone get a grip of this disaster;nobody seems to understand the deep trouble this party is in.
Posted by Julian Ware-Lane (Castle Point)
on 24 July 2009, 6:23:00 PM
Dr Gibson may have been a fine MP, but enriching one's progeny via the taxman is not on. I accept that he is not alone in what he has done, but that does not excuse it. The by-election was needless and I find Dr Gibson's petulance unforgivable.
Posted by Communitarian (Yorkshire)
on 24 July 2009, 6:17:31 PM
Ray, I agree with you entirely. One of the boys Ed Miliband is one the worst culprits and one the worst constituent MP's. This information comes from constituents, Labour supporters/members and his own Labour councillors . If there was a reselection, he would lose. HE IS SO OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY
Posted by Bea (London but from Norwich North)
on 24 July 2009, 6:15:27 PM
Look, that candidate was never going to happen in Norwich North, people wanted Ian Gibson because he was a good mp, he represented the people of Norwich North and he was sincere about the Labour Party. He is also a proper adult and everything. It is no secret he wasn't liked by Westminster so clearly the expenses broo ha ha was a chance to get rid of him.
My personal views, as a suburban working class woman - Labour is too middle class and out of touch. Compass is too young, middle class, pleased with itself, talking about politics as if it is game and not about people's lives. Fabian Society again way to middle class, pleased with itself, young - I got fed up of going to meetings with smug middle class privately education children talking about politics like the issues involved are intellectual debates rather than serious issues to do with people's lives. I sat through a fabian conference where people experiencing poverty were called 'them' by the audience making comments - what the hell is that about? A panel member was giving views on Social Work following the tragedy of Baby Peter based on her friend being a Social Worker, please. No disrespect to her because I am sure she is a lovely woman but her talk of 'rescuing' a working class boy from a council estate and his awful family with no prospect or ambition smacks of 'deserving' and 'undeserving' poor and a whopping great class and privilege divide. It upset me so much i couldn't even eat my biscuit at break time. There is nothing left of centre about the Fabian Society just a whole lot of centre. No disrespect meant to the middle classes or the young and this email is really not meant to be rude or disrespectful although I have a feeling it probably is so for that I apologise. However I do just think that there is something credible about living a bit of life and having a job in the 'real world' rather than the Westminster Career Machine ("Oh Careers Advisor what shall I do, media, no don't fancy that, yes something to do with politics because I really think I can make a difference to people's lives even though I haven 't actually lead one yet but that's ok because I have a politics/sociology degree and I’ll do some research for a 'think tank' or something and that will be all be all I need to know") that is vital to really understanding and knowing what you are talking about. For example, how would Ed Balls know what to say if it wasn't for Lord Laming? Why not give somebody who has worked in the public sector as a Social Worker/ Nursery Nurse etc for at least five years that portfolio? Someone who comes into politics because they want to work with people to make changes based on what they know, have experienced or really seen in their community and their life (including working life). There isn't really anybody is there?
Look a lot of the people that are involved in politics that I have met and that includes think tanks, activist groups or whatever just seem naive to me and I include Parnell and older Milliband in that too - 'a pillock on a gap year' as the next leader of the labour party/prime minister - please no. I know Compass and Fabians love him for reasons I can't work out. People feel alienated thus we have the BNP and Esther Ransom. The Labour party needs to be about social justice and change but the general public need to feel it belongs to them and it is about them. It should not be about about those who 'have' deciding what is best for those who 'have not' or 'have less'. Westminster and the upper middle classes need to give it back, or at least learn to take a humble back seat, lose the arrogance and share.
Posted by Paul (Somerset)
on 24 July 2009, 6:14:14 PM
No great suprise Labour lost so heavily and I don't think that one loss in one by-election is the crucial thing. Voters for a couple of decades at least seem to have increasingly used by-elections to get at the government of the day.

However, what is happening to Labour generally is much more important. It is amazing just how predictable much of what has been but perhaps its scale was unforeseen. Admittedly, I live in a Lib Dem - Conservative marginal, but the CLP does not appear to exist. I've lived in similar places when in the 1990s you would get regular mail from your CLP or people would come round to your house to get you involved. Now you are seen as being pretty strange to want to get involved.

The democratic deficit in the party is staggering. Unless you want a job out of it there is almost no rational reason for being a member. The party really is all head and no tail; the danger is after the next election it could be no head and no tail.

I think Gibson was 'picked on' for being seen as somewhat as a maverick. Others have done worse. Personally, I would see Blears' treachery as far worse than anything Gibson did.

A few things have got to happen:
1. The democratic deficit in the party has to be addressed and somehow a new vibrancy needs to be breathed into every CLP.
2. Scrap some of the ridiculous policies e.g. ID cards, Academies.
3. Electoral reform - If Labour had carried this out in the late 90s we would not be facing what we could be facing in a year's time.

Posted by Salfordgal (London)
on 24 July 2009, 6:11:02 PM
"Changing the Party from within will take a decade. What we need now is coalitions---with the Greens, like-minded LibDems and extra-parliamentary groups."

What we need now is a strategic decision to aim for a hung parliament and to target the seats of past and present New Labour MPs , who have brought Labour and the House of Commons into disrepute (and any particularly unsavoury PPCs, of whom there seem to be many), and encourage voters to support, as appropriate, LibDem, SNP, Plaid or Tory candidates (although not an absolutely-off-the-wall Tory unless, testing on the basis of the balance of evil, the need to do so is great). That way, we may get the best of all possible worlds: a hung parliament where legislation has to be discussed to between parties to the satisfaction of a majority of MPs; a relatively dross free PLP; and a reasonable chance of sensible electoral reform. Oh, and - just to show that grownup LibDems can compromise with the best of you - maybe even a referendum on the EU Constitution as well as, or as an alternative to Ming's spectacularly daffy notion of a referendum on EU membership, full stop, which still seems to be LibDem policy..

Posted by Communitarian (Yorkshire)
on 24 July 2009, 6:09:59 PM
Tactics and ignorance by the closed shop boys brigade in the cabinet are making it very hard for those individuals, campaigners and activists at grass root level to be stimulated into action. Empathy!Frustration! Alienation! Policy on the hoof ideas with pound signs attached are not what this country needs. You have an education secretary who believes parents should be empowered and given real choice but they have no more rights than the children they nurture. Instead he places the burden on headteachers to police fines for them for taking a holiday in term time, instead of leaning on holiday companies charging astronomical prices during school holidays. Home school agreements are not legally binding as they are a compact not a contract between parent and headteacher. Constantly using scary tactics to fine parents doesn't work. Trying to be hardline using the state as back up make Balls look weak, pathetic and a poor performer. Could I ask ask that Ed Balls sign a contract with the public or his constituents in the event of him distorting the truth on lets say MP's expenses, so they can sack him.

Politicians should lead by example as role models enabling parents to observe what is expected of them within their own communities. Failing policies, poor leadership, lack of experience and credibility in the cabinet will without doubt continue the sinking of the New Labour machine into the abyss.

I will say it again,Both Milibands, Balls, Cooper, Darling, Alexander, Brown and the rest of the closed shop brigade must go. Yorkshire MP's will be deselected on a large scale unless there is significant change in the organisation, structure and processes of the Labour Party. Three of the above WILL lose their seats in Yorkshire at this time. This is not scaremongering it is the truth

They cry out on Social Mobility but refuse to champion it within rank and file of the party. They champion Equality and Fairness but candidates are handpicked by family and nepotism. Opening the debate must be about opening up the Labour Party. Its the only way it can survive

It is no good for contributors making their voices heard by Orwellian double speak on a website that core labour voters don't read, some don't even understand. Reaching out to the educate elite is not the answer to Labour's problem. Genuinely its the people that matter. They need understand Labour values in laymans terms. A reinvention is required.

Cameron is right! How do expect grass root Labour Party Members to fight for Labour when Brown can't be bothered to turn up in Norwich for the Bye Election and help. He has no fight in him, he is weak and he is definitely knackered. Same goes for the other individuals mentioned above. We need a reinvention and we need it NOW!!!
Posted by Councillor Ray Halpin (Liverpool)
on 24 July 2009, 6:01:22 PM
Over a number of years I beleive Labour MPs have been out of touch with their Constituents. I have replied to emails from Senior Ministers did I get a response need NO need I say more. They think having a surgery is there way of being involve locally. I speak on a daily basis with Labour supporters and members of the Party and they are so angry with this goverment and have clearly stated they wont vote at all in the next election.
Posted by Clem Alford (London)
on 24 July 2009, 5:56:55 PM
Ah well, just another nail in the New Labour project's coffin. It is hardly surprising they lost and will loose the general election going on like this. In the competition to be right wing and stay in power by any means, they make the Tories look like a bunch of lefties. Ironic isn't it? I went to a meeting to campaign against the privatisation of the NHS overseen by New Labour. Directive from the top and in bed with the neo cons of the USA freemarket as well as the right wing element of the EU.
Jo public is being squeezed until the pips pop!
Freemarket capitalsim isn't working and the so called 'efficiency' of the private sector is a joke with the banks and railways in collapse.
It's serious but I don't think you will see any radical changes from Brown and Co. Just like Blair before him who was the first person to be invited to No 10 after being elected??? Mrs Thatcher. Now that says everything!!
Posted by Alon Or-bach (London)
on 24 July 2009, 5:53:54 PM
Why have a go at people who gave up their time to fight the resurgence of the Tories here, including several Compass members such as myself by slurring all those who helped as a "professional team of apparatchiks"?

The harsh treatment of Ian Gibson whilst letting others off the hook was unjust. But time and time again Compass seems to delight in the defeat of Labour in elections as confirmation that we need to change direction.

I think the case for re-engaging the party grassroots and wider movement is strong and clear enough to be made on its own, without pouring salt on an open wound every time we suffer a defeat.
Posted by ffinlo Costain (Cambs)
on 24 July 2009, 5:49:48 PM
This is clearly a bad result, let's not pretend otherwise. But equally let's also consider some of the positive points for Labour in this election. The Tories ain't done great (even though they won) - and in all likelihood the main Labour vote just stayed at home... (turnout was down by a third - which more or less accounts for the missing votes).
The Conservatives got their girl, but with around 2000 fewer votes than 2005. Yes, the Greens were up, but by all accounts they had a strong candidate, and they really talked up the chances of winning. However, 14% in their third strongest parliamentary hope is not really a rallying cry for Green success.
We (Labour) have come unstuck because we used the expenses scandal as an excuse to get rid of an independently minded Labour MP. Ian Gibson did a good job. He is the kind of constituency parliamentarian we need more of (much as MPs must show a strong sense of loyalty to the party whose rosette they were wearing when they won).
Election reform; Lord's reform; etc - yes... but most real people couldn't give a toss about those issues, and for goodness sake let's not start talking about coalitions with the Greens! (George Irvin, above.)
The best government for the environment is a Labour government, as we are belatedly proving. The raft of energy and climate change policies coming through now, let alone the climate change bill, the carbon budget and the Stern Report, all prove my point.
At the moment elections are still won on health, education, law and order and the economy. In my view the environment will become an equal fifth factor in people's thinking within 5 or 10 years. We, Labour, as a major political force in Britain (yes, still!) need to embrace the eco-agenda wholeheartedly and continue to show the greens as woolly thinking idealists.
By looking to the future, representing forward-thinking and building Britain as a strong, working, socially-minded, sustainable, low energy economy we can rebuild our political strength and win again.
Posted by Simon Norton (Cambridge)
on 24 July 2009, 5:40:43 PM
Progressives need to put all their efforts into ensuring that progressive parties have enough seats in the next parliament to deny Cameron power.

We should try to ensure that the next parliament is constituted proportionally. If we have a referendum on the same date we should also arrange the election process in such a way that if the answer is yes then MPs are chosen by a proportional method.

We also need to fight the growing media consensus that this country needs cuts in the public services that make our society civilised. Tory statements seem to indicate that they will glory in imposing such cuts. While banking may have precipitated our economic problems, private sector extravagance is the underlying cause and where the problem needs to be tackled -- and this will also help solve our environmental problems.

Why have Labour not exploited the ambivalence of Tories towards free concessionary travel, one of the party's real achievements ?
Google "progressive london" for evidence that if the Tories win power it's likely to be scrapped. Everyone over 55 stands to lose from this as either they already have a pass or they can expect to get one within the next parliament if they aren't abolished.
Posted by Marianne (London)
on 24 July 2009, 5:36:52 PM
I’m as appalled as I was when Boris was elected as Mayor and the BNP were elected to the European Parliament. But I’m not surprised: New Labour has done some good and much harm. The opportunity to make Britain a better place for all - not just the 'elite' - has been squandered. But it could have turned out worse. Let New Labour be our lesson. We must do everything we can to stop a Cameron/Tory win. I fully support Compass and I would like to see a new, fairer electoral system in the form of proportional representation.
Posted by Peter Robert Adamczyk-Haswell (Berlin)
on 24 July 2009, 5:34:26 PM
George Irvin's and Francis McGonigal's comments are spot on. I left the Party some years ago as I was so dissatisfied with its direction. When a leading member of the Party says that New Labour is not bothered about people getting filthy rich, we have to ask if he is on the same planet as we are, let alone in the right party. With the increase of surveillance (and concommitant decrease in privacy) and the proposed introduction of identity cards I shall probably not vote Labour for the first time in my entire life. Perhaps this says something about me, however, from my own research, I think an awful lot of core Labour Party members and voters feel exactly the same. The Party's central command has totally lost touch with its grasoots and the Party will continue to haemorrage members up to the point where it will becomes totally irrelevant and forfeit most of its seats in Parliament and that will be a sorry day for what was, once, a pioneering and proud Party dedicated to improving the lives of the masses. RIP
Posted by Tony McWalter (Codicote, Hertfordshire)
on 24 July 2009, 5:27:01 PM
I think the Compass press release is spot-on. MPs who really represent their constituencies are always going to pose problems for the whips. They viewed the excellent Ian Gibson as a thorn in the flesh, and at one stage I was told on the House of Commons terrace that if I continued to support him in his role as Chair of the Science and Technology Select Committee then the future of the Committee was itself in question. They then removed him from the Chair, and then absorbed the Committee into a much less effective body.

The government behaves like a startled rabbit in the headlights whenever anyone suggests it might do something principled, just, and radical --like giving back the Parthenon marbles. Managerialism did for Ian, and it is killing the Party.
Posted by Dr ian Flintoff (Oxford)
on 24 July 2009, 5:21:00 PM
The unfaced problem in British politics right now, and the one nobody seems to be prepared to challenge, is (forgive me) an epistemic problem. Knowledge, information, true reporting are decreasingly available to the public. The political sheets which started in the eighteenth century and are still hollowly championed as the organs of free speech have now become the sole conduits of information (if we include broadcasting) for the majority of the public.(They's never dream of going online to learn about politics, only a tiny minority of initiates would drwam of doing that. The mediavolk now call the shots. They invent and run the stories. (The expenses "scandal" is the worst case of recent times, when naive MPs were TOLD to claim expenses to compensate for low salaries). Forgive the wordiness but the situation goes from bad to worse and the politically ill-informed in the public now shake dice and guess for their choices, depending on what crap the media have just recently managed to furnish. THEREFORE, the crucial problem for serious politicians and the politically caring is (a) to challenge the crap that's dished out by the (now) politically illiterate who do much of the reporting and (b) to find really bright and telling twenty-first century means of political address (and please, DO NOT count on the internet, which is used mainly, by the bulk, for porn, for games or for celebrity gossip) Ian Flintoff
Posted by George Irvin (Brighton)
on 24 July 2009, 5:12:20 PM
Brighton conference isn't going to change anything. The Party has been hollowed out by New Labour and electoral defeat in 2010 is a near certainty. Changing the Party from within will take a decade. What we need now is coalitions---with the Greens, like-minded LibDems and extra-parliamentary groups.
Posted by Francis McGonigal (BIRMINGHAM)
on 24 July 2009, 5:05:27 PM
This is a disastrous own-goal by Labour, caused by forcing out a popular MP. What is needed now is a programme for democratic renewal both within the party and in the country at large. There should be a referendum before or alongside the next general election covering a range of issues including electoral reform, fixed-length parliaments and the House of Lords.

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