Progressive conservatism can't work argues Gerry Hassan
David Cameron has promised a new kind of Conservative politics: compassionate, ‘voting blue, going green', concerned about poverty and the ‘broken society'.
Pivotal to this has been a ferment of ideas in Conservative circles and in particular debates about ‘Progressive Conservatism' and ‘Red Toryism'. The two strands were brought together, the former a high profile project at Demos, the UK think tank, and the latter, an intellectual excursion by Phillip Blond, theologian and thinker, who headed the former, and was identified with the latter. Last week the two separated as Blond parted company with Demos.
This has significant wider consequences, weakening the ground for those pushing for a radical Tory agenda and gives more clout to those calling on Cameron to not be too explicit about any of his plans and policies pre-election. It also exposes the chasm between the two variants of Toryism.
Progressive Conservatism has been one of the defining credos of Cameron Toryism. At the launch of the project of the same name at Demos earlier this year, Cameron laid out four progressive principles at its heart. These were a fairer society, one where opportunity is more equal, a greener society, and a safer nation. Cameron explicitly said that these progressive values were ones many people could unite around, showing that ‘in politics most of us are actually fighting for the same things'.
Where he did identify grounds for difference was in the means to advance these - which for Conservatives included decentralising government, using government to strengthen civil society, founding economic and environmental progress on economic growth, and government living within its means.
This argument was used to emphasis that a decade of Labour Government had failed to deliver progressive means, and that a Conservative approach would more successfully advance a kinder, gentler nation at ease with itself. This was a bold agenda and one which, given the state of Labour, has won adherents and interest across the political spectrum.
Red Toryism is not, as some have portrayed it, a new term. Instead, it originates from debates within Canadian Conservatism, where it represents the left-wing strand in thinking opposed to the more orthodox ‘blue Toryism'.
In the UK, Phillip Blond has become the most prominent supporter writing an influential essay in ‘Prospect' earlier this year, and researching his book on the subject which will be out early next year.
Red Toryism argues that both the unlimited state and unlimited market destroy civil society and things the Conservatives hold dear: the family, intermediate institutions, a sense of community. To Blond, both the welfare state and monopoly capitalism disempower working class people.
This points to a central feature in the ‘Red' discourse: its attempted appropriation of the language of the ethical left from Tawney and Orwell, but how in fact it draws from much wider left thinking. Thus, Blond talks of the perils of post-democratic society and the market state, which operate in the interests of corporate and political elites, and where politics has become the narrow pursuit of defending those interests.
There is common ground between Progressive Conservatism and Red Toryism. They are both trying to develop a new terrain for a renewed politics of civil society which avoids the pitfalls of market and state fundamentalism. Both are trying to navigate Conservatism out of the long shadow of Mrs. Thatcher. And both create a caricature of much of the left - as statist and welfarist - to dismiss it; this despite Red Toryism borrowing widely from left rhetoric.
The differences are much more deep and profound. Progressive Conservatism may talk the language of greater individual responsibility and ‘localism', but it is a new centralism cloaked in friendly language. Red Toryism invokes the ideals of self-government, acknowledging that the power of the state and corporates leaves people feeling powerless.
Progressive Conservatism is silent on the central issue of Toryism: its relationship to the legacy of Thatcherism. It has yet to come to terms with what Sunder Katwala of the Fabian Society calls ‘the rupture' which Thatcherism caused in 1970s Conservatism and UK politics onward - an ambiguity and unease it shares with the Tories pre-Cameron and New Labour.
Red Toryism has no hesitancies on this ground. It sees Thatcherism as part of the problem, and an ideology like state socialism which encouraged the concentration of power in fewer and fewer hands diminishing intermediate institutions such as local government and voluntary associations.
It is obvious from this that Red Toryism is incompatible with the main body of thinking in contemporary Conservatism. This points to the Cameron Conservatives portraying themselves as radical, while staying close to the Thatcher/Blair consensus which has brought the country to the brink of ruin. This means that ‘blue Toryism' will prevail in debates within the party and once the Conservatives are in office.
Intellectually, this signals the shape of the future faultlines of British politics. These are less defined by left versus right and more by authoritarianism versus radical decentralisers. The events of the last week have just defined the character of each side a little more clearly. On the authoritarian side stand Blair, Brown and Cameron, and most of their parties. On the other, decentralist side, can be found Red Toryism, John Cruddas and Labour reformers in Compass, and the Lib Dems.
The new establishment which has arisen in the last thirty years is fixated on a narrow and very hollow idea of ‘freedom' which is centred on our power to consume, shop, spend money and see ourselves as atomised, individualised ‘selves'. It still has control of the two main parties, most of the media and corporate opinion, while the radicals who see the sorry state this has led the UK to, have much less power, access and status, but a coherent case and a growing body of opinion prepared to listen to them.
Gerry Hassan is a writer, commentator and policy analyst, whose books include ‘After Blair: Politics after the New Labour Decade' who is currently researching on the Conservatives and the Union and writing a book on the nature of Britain after Thatcher, Blair and the recession. Gerry can be contacted on: gerry.hassan@virgin . net and at: www.gerryhassan.com.
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on 17 July 2009, 7:57:46 PM
on 17 July 2009, 2:29:22 PM
This is a very interesting set of thoughts and ones I am slightly humbled by. I agree with nearly every point you are making Lee.
Firstly, voice and envisioning matters but is not in any way on its own enough.
Secondly, power matters - and we need to define it, critique it, investigate it and look at new ways of challenging it and using it.
Third, I totally agree with you about the nebulous idea of 'the good society'. This is I feel post-socialist warm words. The Nazis, Pol Pot, Stalin - all of these people believed in their 'good society'. As Michael Walzer has written there can only ever be a plurality of 'good societies' - otherwise you are on the road to the gulag. Therefore, the phrase is meaningless - and only indicative of a left that has lost its way - from socialism to social democracy to progressive in thirty years. To - humane neo-liberalism ....
Fourth, Gordon Torr, a critiquer of the creativity clap trap wrote:
It wasn't, I realised after all, that the world had run out of ideas. It was simply that the world had forgotten how good ideas were created in the first place.
Gerry
www.gerryhassan.com
on 16 July 2009, 8:50:10 PM
Like Rutherford's pieces, it is sort of engaging. It must be fun to engage in one of those exercises, rather Buckminster Fullerish mixed with a healthy dose of "flowers in her hair". I like the idea that it encourages people to feel that somehow they own their city, even although they dont. I know some very similar exercises have taken place in post-apartheid Johannesburg, where civic and community imagination is mobilised. They can be quite culturally envigorating, help to widen tolerance and interaction, and hopefully lessen bigotry and racism. So, I may not be quite on the same page as Paul Mc in terms of my reactions. It seems to me that the process itself can be healthy, culturally stimulating, and contribute to building a sense of community.
What I DONT see in this type of activity is a political process. It doesnt actually confront power, but rather allows people to expand their imaginations within the given limits of power. In this sense it could be seen as a substitute for political action, a kind of satisfying event with no loss of blood and I imagine very little pain. Its an everyone wins project, and it seems to me that it leaves the power structure intact.
I am sure Hassan is damn good at doing this stuff...he seems to me to be a pretty good impresario, and this project is certainly a whole lot more tangible than Rutherfords dream pieces. I also believe that Hassan may be completely sincere in thinking that this is the way to structure political and social change. If so, I couldnt disagree with him more profoundly, even although I may applaud his projects and even be tempted to apply to participate.
I see this as performance art. Political action is essentially subversive. It aims at shifting power and resources in some specific way that is not simply the product of imagination. Political action is ugly and brutal, and very very personal. It consists of minds and often bodies clashing across the barricades. Hassan's stuff seems to me pretty, genteel, and refined, and I am sure enriching. But it may actually be an opiate, whether intended as such or not.
Unlike Paul Mc, I dont question Hassan's motives and I wish him well. But when it comes to how to transform my society, I will spend my time differently. I have actually found that if you sit down with some working class chums over a cup of tea, there is immense imagination.. it doesnt require a "happening" to liberate or channel it. A lot of people strongly object to being choreographed, like dancers in a ballet about their own lives.
on 16 July 2009, 8:26:50 PM
Paul, I am sorry you take the tone and attitude you do - which does not aid anyone, certainly doesnt aid the potential for progressive politics, and all it accomplishes is that it stifles and narrows debate - while I suspect it makes you feel smug and self-satisfied.
I refuse to debate with anyone (and in fact I am not debating with you - as you just throw down blanket, meaningless statements) who uses terms as insults without defining them.
What is 'the new establishment'? Who are they institutionally? What kind of power do they exercise? What kind of 'assessment' have you used - in the loosest, most slack sense of the word - which allows you to 'judge' me a member of 'the new establishment'? Obviously a pretty, elastic, fluid form of establishment. A kind of non-establishment establishment.
A 'new establishment' which ranges from Murdoch and the corporate elites to Compass and many others who are trying to map a path forward.
What is neo-liberalism and what are its characteristics? Short of you banding these terms about - you offer no sense of analysis, meaning or clarity. Or way forward or out. If the whole world - or most of it - is part of the 'new establishment' and neo-liberal - these terms are meaningless and dont get us anywhere. And this is damaging - as there is a 'new establishment' out there - upholding and embedding the economic, social and political order of the last thirty years - and a neo-liberal orthodoxy - spanning most of the political mainstream.
There is no point in non-discussing these matters with you and I am concluding this communication.
on 16 July 2009, 7:53:12 PM
As I have said many times, how does a genuine and decent Labour left-winger say to his constituents: "I find what New Labour has done to you appalling. But I am going to campaign for David Miliband and the gang of Blairites who control the party, to be returned to power at the next election." I have put this proposition to many friends on the left, and their reaction is the same as mine. There is no earthly way it makes sense. The left wont even be able to rebel against New Labour because it will be in opposition. No doubt, if Cameron needs help on votes, the Blairites who do manage to keep their seats will come through for the Tories, and the Labour left wont. That is not a scenario for the Labour left to reclaim the party.
By the way, when I used the word "comfortable" I considered it very carefully. I do think being locked up in a party whose leadership despises them is in a strange way comfortable. All they really have to do is rebel; they dont have to lead because they cant
But I know that you and I just knock heads on this, and I dont see that either will convince the other.
on 16 July 2009, 7:38:42 PM
on 16 July 2009, 7:30:26 PM
This seems somewhat contradictory to me. Lee has made this point several times before. He clearly thinks that the Labour Left shouldn't remain in the Labour Party. It is clear to me that we are able to do as much inside the LP as we would be able to do outside. We are opposing New Labour policies as effectively as anyone outside is. They have no alternative strategies that I have been able to identify. Moreover, we don't accept that the Labour Party, which many of us have spent a large part of our lives in, should be controlled in perpetuity by New Labour. We are the opposition to New Labour inside the Labour Party. This opposition was effectively demonstrated during the Welfare Reform Bill. If the Labour Left had been effectively subjected to internal incarceration that opposition couldn't have been exercised.
on 16 July 2009, 6:42:52 PM
Paul, Your comments about the 'new establishment' take the debasement of words to new levels. If words are to have any meaning or substance they have to have some clear meaning.
Just because you disagree with me does not make me a member of 'the new establishment' and is pretty fatuous, counter-productive and diminishes your own case. Establishment means power, access, status, insiderness - and new establishment means a configuration of forces which supports, legitimates and gains from the fundamental shift in wealth and power which has gone on in the last thirty years.
I do not consider myself part of that or offering it legitimacy in any way, and regard your slur as quite offensive and pathetic. On your logic, Compass are part of 'the new establishment' - which just takes words to a level of meaninglessness.
Thanks for the nice comments about my website; if you had looked closely enough you would notice that it has comments and perspectives from all sorts of collaborative projects, 'The Dreaming City' and 'Glasgow 2020' which are about trying to navigate a way out of the neo-liberal and modernist deadend. Some of us trying to be creative, collaborative and radical; not just sit in our castles condemning those who dont agree with them!
on 16 July 2009, 6:41:00 PM
I would be very interested to know what Pau di Leeds thinks of this ?
Substitute ‘new labour’ for Blairites, and I substantially accept Lee’s point. It has always been the Labour neo-liberal’s purpose to drive anyone to their Left out of the party; or failing that to lock them down in the political equivalent of an isolation cell. The Labour Left are not so much comfortable locked up with, (by?) ‘new labour’ as committed to the LP as a progressive force in society at some point in the future.
Unlike ‘new labour’ from Compass to Progress, we do not have the Tories to fall back on. ---Not even ‘Red’ Tories.
on 16 July 2009, 5:24:17 PM
I would be very interested to know what Pau di Leeds thinks of this ?
on 16 July 2009, 4:55:48 PM
This may well be a chicken and the egg situation, but I can't help feeling there's a lot of Belloc and Chesterton in the Papal Encyclical, "Charity in Truth", which is the most up to date account of whatever that may be. Still, that's probably no great surprise given that His Holiness had little choice, if only for vocational reasons, other than to tap into the common spring of the Sermon on the Mount - as did Belloc in "The Path to Rome', and Chesterton in "Orthodoxy", both still widely read and taken seriously by the laity.
If you wish, you can catch up on the latest developments in whatever that may be at: www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20090629_caritas-in-veritate_en.html
on 16 July 2009, 3:14:57 PM
Like many of the nominally Labour anti-Tory Right who have emerged from the economic and social changes post 1979, you are able to ‘talk Left’ because you are reasonably confident that socialist ideas and the possibility of the working class majority in Scotland acting for themselves are weaker than they have been since the 90s and the early 00s. Behind the talk of equality, your real grouse seems to be that those parliamentary, political and cultural bed-blockers you sneer at as being ‘labourist’ stand in the path of a slightly reformist neo-liberal hegemony, which in its ‘Left’ expression is and remains, ‘new labour,’ in all its essentials.
I see that you quote approvingly the lazy rightwing assertion that that ‘new labour’ are the successors to the Gaitskellites and their desire to abandon Clause IV. As a ‘new labour’ theorist of some standing, - not to mention your role as, “Scotland’s main public intellectual,” you ought to be sufficiently culturally aware to realise that this is self serving nonsense from opponents of even rightwing social democracy, in their unremitting aim to legitimise their own hegemony. The differences between the social democratic Right exemplified by Hugh Gaitskell and the neo-liberal coalition exemplified by ‘new labour,’ could not be starker. The Gaitskellites did not want to nationalise the profitable parts of UK manufacturing: they did not see Clause IV as relevant. Yet they were committed to a definite model of the planned economy. They most certainly were not committed to the privatisation of the NHS, Civil Aviation, Education, social services e the public utilities et al. They supported de-colonisation and opposed military imperialism. Nor did the Gaitskellites seek to empower the liberal petty bourgeoisie at the expense of civil society as a whole. Arguably the liberal middle classes were at their most progressive and socially useful for a twenty year period which co-incidentally started with the election of Gaitskell to the Labour Leadership and indeed Eden to that of the Tories.
How very different; how deeply self interested the liberal middle-classes are today.- Surely one of the triumphs of the neo-liberal economy and society.
Gerry, you criticise very specific parts of the New Establishment: Indeed you definite it in a particular and narrow way, precisely so that you can find it wanting. But this New Establishment of which you are a part is politically, economically and culturally bigger, - as I do not doubt you are well aware. The New Establishment contains an array of market driven elites and social liberals that includes those to whom you refer, but also includes others like yourself, Like Demos, Like Compass.
Your essentially define the New Establishment as one which highlights those parts of the neo-liberal consensus which has at once empowered you and troubles you. Quite purposively your definition excludes any role for non-elites; excludes any possibility that the working class majority in Scotland or any part of the British state, might act in alliance with others for themselves. There is certainly the clash between authoritarianism and radical de-centralisers as you describe it. But in significant part you set this agenda specifically to exclude the majority outside of the neo-liberal consensus from any political and social agency.
Class and reformist socialism is specifically excluded. You laud Jon Cruddas an able and jobbing right-winger who is ‘new labour’ to his bootstraps. You make no effort at all to make any kind of common cause with the Labour Left. As might be expected you speak approvingly of the SNP and the Lib Dems. Presumably you have calculated that the Leftish elements within these parties are not sufficiently strong to challenge your New Establishment. You may be correct in this calculation. We shall see.
on 16 July 2009, 1:41:07 PM
Now my grandparents generation are mostly passed on there is no longer any real folk memory of the horrors of the workhouse system and I am sure that before long some expensively educated wonk at Policy Exchange or even Demos will inform us that they were a fundamentally progressive institution with much to teach us.
On the Chesterbellocs I rather doubt that they are as central to current catholic social and economic thought (whatever that might be) as SG thinks.
Certainly Belloc's comic verse and at least a couple of Chesterton's better novels and detective stories have stayed in print, but their political writings are now pretty obscure.
When I researched them a few years ago I found a lot of the key texts were only available in the charming little Franciscan-run catholic library near Westminster Cathedral - and I remember in some cases these volumes had not been borrowed for decades.
There is also a chicken and egg issue - both Chesterton and Belloc claimed to be popularising existing catholic social teaching as expressed in Rerum Novarum in 1891 before either had become serious writers rather than to be creating it.
If catholic social teaching continues to support small business against big corporations (not that this matters a fig when the hierarchy instructs the faithful to vote against liberals and progressives solely because of their views on abortion and gays)
then its hardly because the Chesterbellocs took that position in books and articles written a century ago that 99.9% of catholics - and I'd guess even 90%+ of the clergy and what passes for a catholic intelligentsia these days - have never read.
on 16 July 2009, 9:13:08 AM
You wrote this -
The pauperisation of the 'people' building Workhouses across the length & breadth of this Island. They finally closed in the last Century in 1930. Please read a bit of social History..namely The Workhouse by Norman Longmate. Could this be us in the not so distant future?
This is one of the most perceptive comments ever posted on this site. We thought we were living in a Welfare State and the workhouse was indeed history. But if you got to the CarerWatch site and get the links to the videos of the Grand Committees in the Lords on the Welfare Reform Bill this month and last you will see that welfare benefits as a right - or rights based benefits are in the process of becoming history.
This will be passed as law in October. Almost every sick person will be called before officials - mostly private contractors on targets - and given a required program of activity to stick to - and these contractors without recourse to a court can remove benefits if they don't think the sick person is keeping up. This is intimidating and humilating and frightening and workhouse in the community.
It applies to people with serious illnesses and disabilities like schizophrenia, bi polar, MS, Parkinsons, stroke, autism, any illness you are frightened of getting. It is an absolute disgrace.
Why are we allowing this to happen? It isn't law yet. Purnell and Freud - the architects of this penal legislation are gone. Why are we sitting around talking about theory and allowing this out of control and evil persecution of the sick to trundle on and become law?
It only needs enough MPs to refuse to pass it unless an exemption is put in for people with serious illnesses. Then hell can just be visited on the mildly sick which to my mind isn't perfect but is definitely better.
These serious illnesses deserve respect. Until you have walked in their shoes - how dare NewLabour. I have belonged to the Labour Party all my life but I will never vote for them while they are do things like this. What is wrong with them. And what is wrong with every one elese to let them do it?
on 16 July 2009, 7:52:39 AM
on 16 July 2009, 3:25:39 AM
It appears now as if you agree with most of the points made by my colleagues and myself that the points you were making in your article, while broadly legitimate, can be made with equal force against New Labour. If you had written the article in that way, the reaction here would have been very different.
We are living at a time when an immense effort is being made in the center and left-of-center arenas to convey the impression that New Labour is remaking itself in a progressive image, and that arch Blairites are "Blairites one can do business with". There are also attempts to shut down discussion about individual politicians and political groups, and "focus on policy". The implication is that we should automatically trust the statements being made by born-again Blairites who now wish to be seen as progressives.
It is my view that that deception has to be fought as vigorously as the Tories' deceptions. You in fact seem willing to regard them as equivalencies. So perhaps we are in fact agreed. But that isnt what you said in your initial article; so I am not sure why we are to blame for how we reacted. We are a bolshie bunch, me included, which doesnt please me; but our resoluteness not to be fooled and tricked, the way Blair tricked this nation when he raped our party, is something I will never apologise for.
I dont think it is at all fair to characterise us as group, or me and Paul Mc as people who have no practical ideas to contribute. Read the other threads and you will see tons of practical ideas and proposals. If you had written in the article what you said in your response, and posed us the question "now that both major parties are largely the same, and the left of Labour seems to be comfortable locked up with Blairites, what can progressives do ?" you would have received many constructive and practical suggestions. But you didnt, so we didnt either.
on 15 July 2009, 10:19:15 PM
On the face of it Communitarism seems a worthy enough notion to consider &
debate & should be. But remember the Tories were responsible for The pauperisation of the 'people' building Workhouses across the length & breadth of this Island. They finally closed in the last Century in 1930.
Please read a bit of social History..namely The Workhouse by Norman Longmate. Could this be us in the not so distant future ?
I'm not good at writing but I did want to comment. Normally I'm not so pessimistic but it's damned hard not to be sometimes in a Society on the verge of breakdown.
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on 15 July 2009, 9:41:03 PM
Thank you for your comments. In particular, Paul McLean and Lee - it is important not to make sweeping assumptions about what people believe when they have not said it. I will try not to do it about your views, and try my best not to do it about anyone's.
Firstly, I am not a defender of New Labour and have never been remotely associated with this position. For the last decade or eso I have taken a position of critiquing them and believing them to be a negation of everything that is progressiev in British politics. Just because I might not agree with you or believe I in a traditional 'left' agenda or want to champion 'Old Labour' - does not make me 'New Labour'.
Second, I believe the Cameron Conservatives and New Labour are part of the same narrow consensus which is limiting a more full debate about the future of Britain. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement of New Labour, the Cameroons, or this narrow consensus.
Third, the recent turn of Demos into a 'rightward' alliance is not one that I support or have given sustenance too. Nowhere in my writings will you find support for the Reeves/Collins agenda, and if you go to Open Democracy or my own website: www.gerryhassan.com -you will find a detailed esploration of the limits of these views and the problems of the think tank model. Just because I have worked with Demos does not mean that you can associate myself with every view of the organisation, nor the organisation with my every view.
Fourth, to talk of a 'new establishment' and who is in it and who isnt, what it stands for and what it represents, we just cant offer a caricature which poses it as those who dont agree with us. The 'new establishment' are those with direct power in the corporate, media and political eliets, who have refashioned the world and advanced the interests of wealth, inequality, privilege and marketisation.
I have never given the slightest sustenance to such a view of the world, but I do believe that some on the left prefer (still) name calling or going back to unrefective thinking which ddint aid us in the past let alone now. The values of the neo-libs which Thatcher and Blair, the new Conservatives and New Labourites, have advanced over the last thirty years, have collapsed about their (and our heads).
There is an urgency and desperate need to begin looking at how we begin the fightback against this onslaught - which Compass has provided vital, intelligent and popular tools for - but which is only a start, and which the contributions from Paul and Lee offer no real assistance to at all. Indeed, while we have to face the orthodoxies of 'the new conservatives' of New Labour and Conservatives, Paul and Lee represent 'the old conservatives' - which is part of the problem as well.
on 15 July 2009, 1:24:48 PM
Cameron is a Blair clone.
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Indeed, and given the patent rubbish both of the parties are issuing in their frenzied efforts to lie more than the other side, it may all come down to who is the better Tony Blair clone: Cameron or Miliband.
Its incredibly close, and I can see the voters of the country having a painful struggle. Both have that superb self absorption; the capacity to lie in their sleep (probably in a deep coma, in fact); both are wizards at tap dancing backwards; each can make the most mundane and platitudinous idea sound cheap; both are hugely wealthy; each looks convincingly insane; both are magnificently unbelievable when they talk about how moved their are by human suffering.
So I can see a photo finish as each battles to be the perfect Blair substitute. It will be tough as hell for the voters. Of course they will choose the one who loses.
on 15 July 2009, 9:56:11 AM
Britain is where it is because it has suffered 30 years of Thatcherite social and economic (Loadsamoney) policies.
on 15 July 2009, 1:03:39 AM
on 14 July 2009, 9:19:22 PM
Defence does not entail wars in other countries. Only the arms dealers would argue otherwise. Tanks into ploughshares, washing machines and all that!
And as an example instead of bailing out rotten theiving bankers
they should be jailed. That is the only one good thing the yanks did..... with Madov as an example! Never mind the vauge wooly talk. Do something specific and radical. If it doesn't happen, well UK will go further down the league of nations!!!!
on 14 July 2009, 6:40:41 PM
An interesting "must somehow", but fashions change and on the many occasions when multi-culturalism has hit the wall of gender equality, I find I can't help supporting the wall. I have similar feeings about the hurdy-gurdy-goings-on of the Labour Party in Tower Hamlets as well so I'm not really convinced that "must somehow" is in any way an acceptable option.
on 14 July 2009, 6:15:25 PM
on 14 July 2009, 5:13:04 PM
Chesterton and Belloc were then, and still are, in the mainstream of English Catholic economic and social thought. Radicalism in the cause of justice does not preclude a love of the customary, although, post-Suez, post-Empire and post large scale uncontrolled demographic change, the key lesson taught by Westminster seems to be that radicalism in the cause of greed is best pursued without justice and with a complete disregard of the customary.
on 14 July 2009, 3:21:25 PM
on 14 July 2009, 3:02:00 PM
Blond’s Conservativism remains within that powerful tradition of populism which seeks to give the individual, the lower middle class and also those whom neo-liberals of both main parties actively address as the ‘hard working poor’ (aka the deserving poor,) a voice. A voice in today’s context mediated by strata of the notionally ‘progressive’ middle-class who have not been as far to the right as they are now since Arthur Balfour left Downing Street in December 1905.
Blond has much more in common with the Tory Democrats who were clustered around Lord Randolph Churchill, than with Disreali; though the historical, (and indeed confessional,) link with Chesterton and Belloc made by Roger is food for thought. Via Churchill we had expressions of working class toryism, which post-war found its expression in the unlikely persons of Harold Soref MP and Gerald Nabarro MP as well as populist Tories from more obviously Conservative backgrounds.
As is to be expected, Gerry Hassan gives the pretty orthodox ‘new labour’ appraisal of what Cameron Toryism is; and finds it wanting. How can he do other? The legitimacy of Labour neo-liberalism surely depends on fighting for the ‘common ground’ they share with the Tories on very much the terrain Hassan chooses and in the rhetoric he elects to deploy.
In practice the Tories are just as capable of administering the neo-liberal state as Labour. They are as capable as reducing democratic control and accountability as Labour manifestly have been since 1997. They are certainly as capable of being as authoritarian and as anti-working class as the Gvt which has enabled Demos to prosper and assume a degree of unwarranted and unearned influence. The Tories will follow very similar policies on localism, welfare, extending the role of the market and further empowering supportive elites like Demos and individuals Like Gerry Hassan. - After all, the Tories in office will need ‘the loyal opposition,’ they currently are to ‘new labour.’ Demos and Hassan may not be in parliament. But they will be loyal opponents within the ideological superstructure. In the context of broader civil society, that is probably more important than being an MP on the opposition benches.
There is little of real substance in Gerry Hassan’s piece. Nothing remotely social democratic: A fact not surprising when we remember that within minutes of James Purnell resigning Richard Reeves was practically rending his garments and generally bewailing the departure of ‘this brave’ minister.
Gerry Hassan has the gall to whinge and whine about the ‘new establishment,’ of which he is part. Adding a tincture of fanciful ‘red Toryism’ to that strand of neo-liberal reformism, for which he always speaks on this site, does not make it any the less self-serving, or less deeply rightwing than it already is.
on 14 July 2009, 10:07:00 AM
I suspect his real biggest influences are not Disraeli but Hilaire Belloc and GK Chesterton - both originally radical liberals whose opposition to the corrupting power of finance eventually led to them becoming enthuisiastic admirers of Mussolini (though not of the Nazis who they could never altogether forgive for being Germans).
The Chesterbellocs (GB Shaw's name for the duo and their admirers) obsessions with usury, traditionalist religion, localism, small business, little Englandism etc all seem to fit well with what I've seen of Blond's world-view.
(I suppose I should point that the 'etc' would include a rabid anti-semitism - which I am sure Blond doesn't share)
Now while there are positive and even eerily prescient elements in their critique of Edwardian capitalism (even after a century Belloc's Servile State and Chesteron's various books of essays and biographies of figures like Cobbett are still a good read) in the long run it led them into complete political irrelevance as as their cultural conservatism always trumped their economic radicalism and prevented them from allying with the real Left.
Blond already seems to be very much on the same track.
on 14 July 2009, 9:10:36 AM
Have you actually watched any of the Grand Committees on the Welfare Reform bill in the House of Lords(links on CarerWatch site)
The Tory lead shadow Minister is the Labour Minister's best friend.
The whole of the rest of the committee is full of cross benchers who have experience in care and LibDems and kind wise people. Even rogue Tory law lords who say the Welfare Reform Bill is breaking the covenant with the people to look after them in sickness and is unconstitutional.
There are only two people there pushing this bill through. The Labour Minister and his Tory shadow. The Tory Minister leaps up at any point where an amendment looks like weakening the total fascist power the government is taking to 'direct' the lives of the sick and makes sure the bill stays as horrific and nasty and ideologically pure as it is.
Forget the rhetoric. By their deeds ye shall know them.
And if the Labour movement doesn't wake up now and stop this appalling bill in October how can the Labour Party in opposition put it right when it will sit on the statute books as their own legislation to their eternal shame. Soppy Tories with a heart - no chance. It's PR cover.
on 14 July 2009, 9:01:26 AM
Free market ideology has been to the fore in recent times, but this is justificatory rather than substantive. There has been no real free market. New Labour have become an ersatz version of the Conservatives. The Conservatives have been and will be more authentic in their application of the priorities of neoliberalism. The only game in town is the Left's campaign to counterpose an authentic social democracy to the free market ideology represented by both the Conservatives and New Labour. Let's get on with that.
on 14 July 2009, 3:12:18 AM
I see no reason why a Cameron government cannot be better than New Labour on a number of points, including the environment, local powers, and defense of the welfare state. That isnt saying much given the abject performance of Labour in all of these areas. I also expect Cameron to resist imperialist adventures with the Americans, and cut back defense expenditure. It isnt even impossible to imagine that they may decide to dump trident 2. I also think it is most unlikely that Cameron will adopt- the ass-licking sycophancy towards everything American that has been the hallmark of New Labour. I also expect to see some modest improvements in financial regulation.
None of these are preludes to the good society, but given that New Labour will remain entrenched and apologetically Blairite, despite all the pretending that is going on, it really wont be that difficult for Cameron to do better than New Labour on almost any continuum. I still advise people to vote Lib-Dem or Green. Being an improvement on New Labour is far from enough.
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